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Offline Waxdat

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MV routing possibilities - a NNitred repost
« on: June 23, 2017, 08:52:00 pm »
This tutorial will give some of you a better idea of what your MV is capable of in terms of routing and to show that outboard components are easily integrated with the MV. Most of have FX ,filters,and dynamics units we want to use so here's easy way to pull it off. No MV8-OP1 needed!

These are just the basics in plain talk but once you understand it you could see how pachtbay and a digital mixer could open up killer possibilities.

It's always good to know why something works as well as how. If you know this stuff just skip it. This is in no way a substitute for reading the manual! Anyway ,have fun.


Audio Tracks.

Audio Tracks cannot record to and play at the same time . Furthermore , Audio Tracks do not overdub, they overwrite. This is important because this characteristic means that a signal loop cannot be created-thus no feedback when you do your tracking of treated incoming audio.
*Any channels and/or sounds routed an Indiv.Out or Stereo pair are removed from the MIX output during playback.

Instrument Tracks

Instrument Tracks can be routed the same as Audio Tracks but they have extra Parameter called "Prtl." This setting allocates the routing of the instrument track to the pad level. This is important when you want total control over a patch's routing.

Pad Level Routing

When you hit Quick Edit the upper left area has an area that allows you to route every single pad to any available Ind.Output , Aux, or Stereo Pair . You can also control the send amount for Delay and Reverb for every pad individually. So you could send some sounds to the Mix, some to Aux, some outside of the MV to get mangled. In fact, the combination here are staggering-especially if the MV8-OP1 is installed.
The part's track must be set to "Prtl". In fact you can set up the pad routing to your like and toggle between Mix, multi, or Ind.Out as you need it.

Auxes (subgroups or buses)
Auxes share the same routing options as other channels except they have no EQ, but do have direct MFX access and an OFF setting at output.. The Auxes allow you to create an entire submix and then send it where you want. The Aux channels are the sum of all of the tracks,parts, or pads you route into it so instead working several faders you only have to worry about controlling one.
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Input Channel

The Input Channel is always live. It has the ability to to integrate with the final mix while still maintaining the ability to send to the Reverb and Delay blocks. Digital or Analog, the output destination for the Input Channel is either the sample engine or Mix output depending on functions being performed.


Analog Out

The Analog Out is for the Mix/Master output only. The reason i mention this so that you'll see the stark contrast between the Digital outs and Analog Outs.

Digital Outputs ( SPDIF/Optical.

Most think that this is a duplicate of the Analog Outputs. Well, I'm happy to say that it's anything but. In fact, the only similarity is that the digital out can output the Mix. While that is the factory default setting it certainly isn't the only one! The Digital Output is actually fully assignable to carry any Stereo Pair, any Ind. Out as part of a Stereo Pair , or the Mix output.

* Sounds,Tracks, Auxes routed to any Ind. output or Stereo pair are removed the from the Mix output. This does a great job of stopping signal loops and redundancy that causes cancellation and muddy sound.

** Anything routed 1,2,3,4,5...is sent to either the Left or Right Channel respectively. If you want the sound to appear on both left and right (or using a stereo sample) you must choose 1/2, 3/4 etc. matching the assignment given to the Digital Out.

Using Outboard Processing

Note:

* You do not need the MV8-OP1 to use outboard processors unless you want to stay strictly in the digital domain.The following uses the digital output on the MV but an inexpensive converter is needed to use analog devices. You can also use devices such as DAT,CD Recorder, HD Recorder or any audio device that will convert Digital audio to Analog. The drawback is the adding of noise to the signal chain. This up to you.

** Expensive converters are a waste. Unless you just want to impress someone, a simple direct converter works great.

*** Remember , the MV digital output only carries one stereo pair at a time.1/2 ,3/4 ,5/6 or 7/8
DO NOT USE "MIX" -
The result is unusable phase canceled murky garbage.
DO NOT ROUTE THE "MASTER ANALOG OUT" BACK INTO THE MV! -

If you should need a basic DAC for your analog units, I suggest the Gefen. It's less than $80 and it does the job well. It's cheap because it's a simple in and out conversion with no controls, chassis,meters, or options. Here are the specs and the webpage.
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Specs: * Converts digital audio S/PDIF or TOSLink signals to analog L/R signals
* Integrated digital interpolator filter and digital-to-analog convert (DAC)
* Accepts uncompressed digital audio input
* Samples at 32, 44.1, 48 and 96 KHz
* 2-channel LPCM (Linear Pulse Code Modulation)
* 24-bit S/PDIF incoming bitstream on left and right channels
* Compact and easy to install




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Offline manalishi

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Re: MV routing possibilities - a NNitred repost
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 04:22:30 am »
Thanks for posting this. Didn't know that about the individual pads - more to explore! :)

Definitely true that the Roland engineers put a lot of routing power into machines of this era. I'm just taking baby steps as I find out about the options. Have been learning the MV as a standalone machine so far, but now have the time and space to do more with - first to hook it up to a VS-2480 via R-Bus.

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Re: MV routing possibilities - a NNitred repost
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 03:32:54 am »
That was the MV Nation post I missed the most - I've often lamented its demise. Thanks for exhuming it!

Offline Waxdat

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Re: MV routing possibilities - a NNitred repost
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2018, 07:11:52 am »
Bump.

This may be a post that should get stickied.

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Re: MV routing possibilities - a NNitred repost
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2018, 07:52:31 am »
liquid gold here !!!! Im gonna save this to a libreoffice file and then save it on all my computers  . . . . .

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Re: MV routing possibilities - a NNitred repost
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2019, 03:28:56 am »
A question from a newbie.
After splitting by keys a track into different tracks (but still using the same patch), is it possible to assign each newly created tracks to a different output please ?

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Re: MV routing possibilities - a NNitred repost
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2019, 01:32:33 pm »
Yes you can. Refer to the first post in the thread for the "pad level routing" this will work with any pad in any patch. Just select the pad and then hit quick edit. You then assign the output there.

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Re: MV routing possibilities - a NNitred repost
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2019, 10:19:51 pm »
Thank you !